Ballspielverein Borussia 09 e.V. Dortmund tonight

Defender Jan Vertonghen is confident Tottenham can reach the last eight for the first time since 2011.

“We can beat anyone,” said the Belgian, who is likely to play in the left-back position and mark Sancho.

“We have shown that last year. Over two games we were the better team against Real Madrid (four points from two group games) who were the eventual winners of the trophy.

“That is why it was a shame we could not do better last year because we felt we should have done better. That is why everyone has the feeling we can do it this year.”

TEAM NEWS

Tottenham duo Eric Dier (virus) and Erik Lamela (back) both returned to training with the squad on Tuesday for the first leg of their last-16 match. Neither were available for Sunday’s 3-1 win over Leicester.

Argentine Pochettino confirmed left-back Danny Rose’s shin injury means he is a doubt for Wednesday’s contest.

Striker Harry Kane (ankle) and midfielders Dele Alli (hamstring) and Ben Davies (groin) remain sidelined.

Spurs have a 55% chance of reaching the last eight

Simon Gleave, head of sports analysis at Gracenote, said: “Tottenham are rated the ninth best team in Europe by the Euro Club Index, four places above Bundesliga leaders Borussia Dortmund. Tottenham have a 55% chance of reaching the quarter-finals.

“Spurs’ chance of winning this season’s Champions League is around 3%, up from around 2% before the group phase started.”

MATCH STATS

Tottenham and Dortmund are facing each other for the third time in the last four seasons in European competition. Their head-to-head record is balanced, with two wins each.

Tottenham won their two previous encounters with Dortmund in the Champions League; this came in last season’s group stages (3-1 at Wembley, 2-1 at the Signal Iduna Park).

All 19 goals scored in the Champions League this season by Tottenham (nine) and Borussia Dortmund (10) have come from open play.

Dortmund have never failed to score against Tottenham in European competition (four games).

Dortmund have reached the knockout stages of the Champions League for the fifth time in their last six campaigns while this is the first time Tottenham have reached the knockout phase in consecutive seasons.

Borussia Dortmund

No team has scored more goals in the last 15 minutes of Champions League games this season than Borussia Dortmund (five). Their bench has also been the most clinical with five goals coming from substitutes.

No team conceded fewer Champions League goals than Borussia Dortmund in this season’s group stages (two in six games).

Raphael Guerreiro has scored four of Borussia Dortmund’s last five goals in the Champions League. He is the top Portuguese scorer in this season’s competition (four goals).

Tottenham

Among the 16 remaining teams in the Champions League, Tottenham were the only side to post a negative goal difference in this season’s group stages (-1).

Eight of Tottenham’s nine goals in the Champions League this season have come in the second half (89%).

Kane has been directly involved in 48% of Tottenham’s goals in the Champions League over the last three seasons (16/33), scoring 13 times and assisting on three occasions.

Courtesy of the BBC

Comments
  • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 8:27 pm

    Sexy must be happy

    Right winger crosses, mainstream centrist scores

    • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 8:37 pm

      Alonso is another back who has forgotten that sometimes he’s expected to do some defending. Couldn’t happen to a more smug git.

  • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 8:37 pm

    Is Higuain a second rate Janssen

  • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 8:37 pm

    Alonso is another back who has forgotten that sometimes he’s expected to do some defending. Couldn’t happen to a more smug git.

  • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 8:39 pm

    Lukaku, I thought he was supposed to be quick? Since moving to United he has just transmogrified into a large lump.

  • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 8:40 pm

    No no no

    • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 8:43 pm

      Yes yes yes

      • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 8:45 pm

        Perhaps perhaps perhaps

  • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 8:42 pm

    I think he evened up the prev challenge

  • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 8:47 pm

    Obstruction surely

  • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 8:48 pm

    Do cards in this match have any effect outside the FA cup?

    • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 8:51 pm

      No only if it’s the 5 card thing

  • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 8:48 pm

    Rudiger yellow for sure

  • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:08 pm

    Bad news in this part of the West country with Honda pulling out of Swindon by 2022.

    • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 9:10 pm

      Didn’t Swindon back Brexit?

      • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:15 pm

        Japan concluded a trade deal with the EU, and so there are no longer import tariffs on cars coming direct from Japan. That’s why they no longer need to build them anywhere in Europe. So Brexit was largely irrelevant to this happening.

        • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 9:18 pm

          Wot is Swindon selling Japan then?

          • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:19 pm

            Roundabouts.

        • foeorfreund 18/02/2019 at 9:25 pm

          So does that mean they’re closing their two operations in Belgium too, if it’s nothing to do with Brexit?

          • Caspurs 18/02/2019 at 9:26 pm

            Shirley production in Europe reduces shipping costs?

          • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:29 pm

            I don’t know, that was one of the factors the plant manager was explaining on BBC West earlier. Including falling demand for certain diesel models.

          • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:35 pm

            Just had a quick look at Honda’s own website. The Ghent site is logistics only. Storage space for cars, bikes, and industrial equipment.

            • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:36 pm

              No other European production that I can see.

            • AntSpurs 20/02/2019 at 5:34 pm

              …still relishing the prospect of sticking the frightners on them. Equally as playing for Spurs knowing thered be no fine margins. Legend

        • Sexy Beast 18/02/2019 at 9:37 pm

          Everything bad that happens is because of Brexit, everything good that happens is in spite of Brexit.

          • Fatty B 18/02/2019 at 9:38 pm

            Everything bad that happens is because of Levy, everything good that happens is in spite of Levy.

            • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 18/02/2019 at 9:39 pm

              Haha, beat me to it.

              • Sexy Beast 18/02/2019 at 9:41 pm

                Hehe you gotta laugh!

          • foeorfreund 18/02/2019 at 9:43 pm

            That could be quite correct. I’ll let you know when something good happens ;-D

            • Sexy Beast 18/02/2019 at 9:45 pm

              Jean Claud Fofty!

              • foeorfreund 18/02/2019 at 9:50 pm

                Billy Jean Fofty.

  • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 9:15 pm

    There’s only one team in London
    One team in Lon-don
    One team in London

  • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 18/02/2019 at 9:16 pm

    That fookin Manure song is doin me edin again. Had to turn the sound off.

  • Fatty B 18/02/2019 at 9:18 pm

    Just had a quick scootch through the blog. Nice to see Hatespur is still reading.

    • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 9:18 pm

      Can we get a rundown

    • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:20 pm

      I no understand. Pleez you say?

      • Caspurs 18/02/2019 at 9:22 pm

        Which part don’t you get?

        • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:23 pm

          Who is reading what?

          • Ronwol196061 18/02/2019 at 9:24 pm

            What?

          • Caspurs 18/02/2019 at 9:25 pm

            The happy boy popped over here for a brief moment earlier.

            • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:37 pm

              What’s his handle on here?

              • Fatty B 18/02/2019 at 9:44 pm

                The lurker-jerker. The clue was in the 5 (or so) fake email addresses for his 5 (or so) hilarious attempts at trying to get someone to click on his site; oh yeah, and who else do you know that would use a word like ‘deplatformed’?

                • Shelfy 18/02/2019 at 9:45 pm

                  De-platformed soles are a thing of de-past

                • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:51 pm

                  You have confirmed this creepy feeling I had.

                • Sexy Beast 18/02/2019 at 9:58 pm

                  Jerka jerka, Mohammed jihad.

                  • Sexy Beast 18/02/2019 at 10:01 pm
  • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:18 pm

    I hope we can absorb these lessons in how to f*** Cheatski at home.

  • Caspurs 18/02/2019 at 9:19 pm

    In terms of confidence for utd going into the game with pooh, this would be a good result.

    • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:21 pm

      And a run of defeats today and on Sunday should see a demoralised team of racists.

      • foeorfreund 18/02/2019 at 9:31 pm

        That’ll do.

  • Shelfy 18/02/2019 at 9:31 pm

    My bet is Cheatski will be playing out of their skins for a new manager when we play them

    • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:37 pm

      Sacked on Sunday. Zidane in on Monday.

      • Fatty B 18/02/2019 at 9:41 pm

        Craig David hit?

        • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:47 pm

          Not my taste in music.

      • Shelfy 18/02/2019 at 9:43 pm

        I don’t think he will be in charge against City. They wont want the embarrassment of Sari ball against Man c in a final. If he is still there they might as well not show up so they have little to lose by bringing in the new man in the morning

        • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:46 pm

          Do you remember the days when it was Spurs who got slagged off for high manager
          turnover?

          • Shelfy 18/02/2019 at 9:48 pm

            No that was a long time ago. It was the chairman’s fault anyway. Now what was his name?

            • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:52 pm

              Irving Scholar.

              • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:53 pm

                Alan Sugar.

    • Sexy Beast 18/02/2019 at 9:42 pm

      Hmmm I doubt he will be manager when we play them, bugger.

      • Shelfy 18/02/2019 at 9:44 pm

        Yup, we will get ‘new manager bounce’ against us.

  • Caspurs 18/02/2019 at 9:35 pm

    I wouldn’t mind citeh v utd in the next round.

  • Fatty B 18/02/2019 at 9:36 pm

    SpurAndy
    That fookin Manure song is doin me edin again. Had to turn the sound off.

    Cheers, Andy. 💋

    • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 18/02/2019 at 9:41 pm

      👍

  • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:38 pm

    Come on Brighton!

    • Fatty B 18/02/2019 at 9:39 pm

      Ugh. Really? You had to say *that*?

      • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:40 pm

        On, not in.

        • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 9:41 pm

          Less chance of social diseases.

  • foeorfreund 18/02/2019 at 9:49 pm

    So Brighton get Millwall, and a good chance of going through, meaning a bad chance of our home game against them being the first in the new stadium.

  • Shelfy 18/02/2019 at 10:01 pm

    Nice video interview with Toby part way down in this article..

    https://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-news/video-toby-alderweireld-gives-interview-on-all-things-spurs/

  • Caspurs 18/02/2019 at 10:49 pm

    Saido Berahino has been arrested on suspicion of drink driving. Apparently he was spotted eating a large quantity of rum ‘n’ raisin ice cream before getting behind the wheel…

    • J’HD 🇺🇸 18/02/2019 at 10:54 pm

      Uh oh, the disappointment just keeps on coming.

      • Caspurs 18/02/2019 at 10:57 pm

        Apparently Stoke will sell him in the summer, so we still have a chance…

        • Chauvelin 18/02/2019 at 11:39 pm

          And Leonandro Damiao, is he available?

          • Caspurs 18/02/2019 at 11:41 pm

            Only for bar mitzvah’s and weddings.

    • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:06 am

      I guess he is looking to be a goalkeeper now he couldn’t make it as a striker

  • Matt 18/02/2019 at 11:13 pm

    I only watched about 20 mins of the match but the bit I saw, Utd were just knocking it forward hopefully to their fast blokes, 50/50 balls. They are way behind us.

    • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:07 am

      Pogba is a giant and Solskaer is getting them playing but the apprez Jose buzz cant continue

  • Shelfy 18/02/2019 at 11:46 pm

    Arrived at the arena a little early for the Fleetwood Mac concert.
    They are advertising ELO and Kiss later in the Spring.

    • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 10:33 am

      What a great talent Jeff Lynne is, imagine they would be great to see live!

  • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:04 am

    This was a great Jeff Lynne concert at the BB in 2016

    • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 11:51 am

      Marvellous

      • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:55 am

        Ive watched this a ton of times.Its gets better everytime you watch it. The music is a calmed down version of the originals and really good quality,the strings section is brilliant

        • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 12:23 pm

          The man is a genius …… imo

  • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:13 am

    Chauvelin
    Sacked on Sunday. Zidane in on Monday.

    From Squeeze’s UP the KUnction

    I got a job with Stanley
    He said I’d come in handy
    And started me on Monday
    So I had a bath on Sunday

    • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:13 am

      Junction

  • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:16 am

    Brighton and Millwall..this could happen..

  • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 11:21 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/18/online-conspiracy-theorists-democracy
    A clear attempt by the Guardian at wanting to shut down critical thinking, they want to be the “thought police” 1984 style here today in 2019. This is disgusting to me, why would anyone trust a rag like this? They want to control what YOU read going forward, they want to control what YOU think. CUNTS, Fuck The Gaudian in the face.

    • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:29 am

      How can they control you?

      Its a free choice of what you want to read,you must read them more than anyone here

      • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:31 am

        This is any publication by the way.They all have some biases.Even the stuff you favour

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 11:39 am

          This woman would in years gone by have the film JFK banned, she is clearly an online Totalitarian. Q is real, she forgets all the photo’s from on board Airforce 1 and from the Oval Office plus all the other obvious clues. It’s a fight for control of your mind Ron, wake up.

          • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:45 am

            I have enough choices to choose from Sexy

            • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 11:49 am

              You have plenty to choose from and I’m fine with that but this woman wants to limit yours and my choices because it doesn’t fit her narrative can’t you see the danger in that? 1984 thought police…..are you happy with her proposed thought police proposal going forward??

              • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:58 am

                I don’t care Sexy,I have enough to read,actually too much. I spend my time more on footie and work related anyway,I highlight the news

                • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:26 pm

                  You don’t care if you can read what you want but I’m left to read nothing other than what your reading? Lol thanks Ron, can’t wait to but you a pint (with arsenic) of whatever your drinking on the next North Atlantic Invasion.

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 11:45 am

        https://www.newsguardtech.com/
        This is what they want all of us to abide by, they claim there is NO TRUTH outside of the mainstream, YOU MUST believe Media Matters (George Soros funded) and the like because outside of the MSM its all to dangerous for you to read. Dear oh dear!

        • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:47 am

          Free choice is surely you read what you want to read and Ill read what I want to read

          • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 11:50 am

            Are you happy for her to decide what I should read?

            • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:53 am

              She isn’t deciding,she is suggesting

              • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 11:57 am

                She’s not allowed to, Ron. Freedom of speech and choice is a one way thang.

                • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 11:59 am

                  IM not sure where the actual limitations are coming from…all I want to do is read what I want to read

                  • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 12:02 pm

                    Is there a book on the positive aspects of jihadism?

                  • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 12:03 pm

                    It’s pretty much “you can say what you want, as long as I agree with you”.

                    • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 12:05 pm

                      Democracy needs limitations,it has always had as does every other system. If not you end up with Lord of the Flies

                    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:11 pm

                      This woman had she been a Journo in say 1970 would have labelled a conspiracy theorist anyone questioning the JFK assassination and would have wanted them shut down and banned from the free press and thrown off the internet had it existed, if anyone cannot see this as frankly frightening beyond words that people in a Mainstream in publication like The Guardian TODAY are calling for this, well I’m lost for words!

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 12:23 pm

                      No, I don’t see the Guardian calling for this, I see them publishing an article written by a representative of the ISD.
                      Funny, but the only people that seem affected by this article are chaps like you and Merrance. You say they want to control our minds, control what we think or feel, but I’d suggest that most of us who read that article are completely unaffected. It’s only those that oppose it, like you, that have such a heightened reaction. And it is a way over the top reaction. “If she were around then, she would have done this”. “The Guardian are calling for a 1984 thought police”. What kind of nonsense is that? Do you honestly think you’re gaining any credence by reacting in such a way? If you are trying to garner support of your views with people who are capable of thinking for themselves, you’re going about it in a pretty strange way.

                    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:28 pm

                      It’s pretty much “you can say what you want, as long as I agree with you”.

                    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:29 pm

                      Maybe I am over reacting, but what if one day free speech is gone what will you say then?

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 12:30 pm

                      How’s that? How am I telling you what to say, think or feel? Am I telling you that you can’t have your views?

                    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:32 pm

                      You misunderstood, I’m referring to free speech.

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 12:32 pm

                      Yes, I think you are completely over reacting. To me, you come across as just wanting to oppose and hush those that go against you, which is incredibly ironic.

                    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:35 pm

                      Well you did vote in favour of giving up the vote for your children going forward so perhaps you don’t see it the way I do.

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 12:39 pm

                      That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Again, we reach a point in a debate where you divert, where the questions get too hard. It says a lot.

                    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:46 pm

                      Freedom of speech and having the ability as a population to vote in or out our politicians is something worth arguing about, on the one hand you agreed with me on the free speech aspect and for me right now in 2019 they go hand in hand as if a call to shut down non mainstream websites will affect the way people vote then clearly they are intertwined.

                    • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 12:50 pm

                      ‘Free speech’ is also limited
                      Not to what you decide or what other people decide its a matter of law

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 12:57 pm

                      Such an important issue, yet you’ve never voted in your life. And you have the audacity to tell me I voted to lose my children’s vote. Well, I have voted my entire life, as have my children recently, all the time whilst we are in the EU.

                    • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 1:07 pm

                      Shouldn’t that read “you can say what you want, as long as you agree with me” ??!

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 12:09 pm

      ‘Critical thinking’. If only it was, and that’s the problem. People are gullible enough to swallow any old crap and often need to be protected from themselves. You can see this by the way they allow their entire lives to be posted on platforms like Facebook. Targets for scammers, crooks, manipulators. Zuckerberg has been rightly branded a ‘digital gangster’.

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:13 pm

        In interviews he comes across as a robot.

      • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 12:44 pm

        Completely agree, Chauv. Those in power sometimes lie and deceive for a required result, as do those against power. It’s those gullible people that ONLY believe what power tells them, or ONLY believe what those against power tells them that sway the pendulum.

        • Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 12:48 pm

          I agree 100%

  • merrance 19/02/2019 at 11:36 am

    This article just proves what she is trying to deny.She is a modern day witch.Witch craft actually means control of the mind.

    • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 11:54 am

      It’s all a conspiracy theory

  • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 12:53 pm

    Great Politics Live today, which actually chimes with our discussions. Who pays and funds UK ‘Think Tanks’, who seek to frame political thought? Why does the Institute for Economic Affairs, The Adam Smith Institute, The Taxpayers Alliance, bluntly refuse to provide any information about who pays their bills? And how can these be listed as educational charities, which must be strictly non-political?

  • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 12:55 pm

    Ronwol196061 19/02/2019 at 12:50 pm
    ‘Free speech’ is also limited
    Not to what you decide or what other people decide its a matter of law

    Free speech should never be limited Ron, there are laws against calls for violence and racism which I’m absolutely fine with.

    • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 1:04 pm

      Sexy, your last statement is a contradiction.
      Either speech is free (in which case you can call for violence and espouse racism etc) or it is not free in which case you can say what. You want ‘within the bound of what is lawful to say’.
      The issues surely should be keeping the unlawful areas to a minimum and training people how to question what they read and hear.

      • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 1:05 pm

        Was not meant to be a full stop after say what. That spell check monster is like something out of 1984 trying to edit and censor what I type but I’m on to it!

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:14 pm

        As a free society we elect people to create laws ie incitement to violence, inciting someone to commit violence against someone else isn’t free speech it’s incitement to violence, and we would all agree should be punishable.

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:21 pm

        Training people how to question what they read and hear? Who’s going to be in charge of the “teachers” George Soros and his Open Foundation?

        • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 1:24 pm

          If you need training on how to question what you read & hear, then you probably do need training, but that needs to be unbiased training.

  • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:09 pm

    The senior vice president of Honda has explained the company is making a major shift to building electric vehicles, which will be built in Japan, the USA and China as their falling volume of car sales in Europe doesn’t justify production there.

  • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:09 pm

    foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 12:57 pm
    Such an important issue, yet you’ve never voted in your life. And you have the audacity to tell me I voted to lose my children’s vote. Well, I have voted my entire life, as have my children recently, all the time whilst we are in the EU.

    Fofty, I live in a Conservative area where the MP won with a 13,000 majority which was their lowest winning margin for a long time, criticizing me for not bothering is fine and one day if I truly believe my vote would really count then I would likely go and vote. I can register to vote tomorrow and still might for the next election depending on where we are with Brexit and of course other issues.
    The fact is a vote for remaining in the EU was a vote for doing away with the vote long term as we all know the EU top brass are unelected and therefore we cannot remove them. General elections would have therefore become somewhat ceremonial and arguably even more of a waste of time, that is the way I see it right now.

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:12 pm

      But do you vote in EU elections, which are by proportional representation, so every vote counts? And what about council elections?

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:16 pm

        EU elections are a waste of time as MEPS are ceremonial and don’t shape or decide policy.

        • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:22 pm

          At the very least, the elections are a barometer of the electorate’s political opinion.

          If you choose not to express your feelings through the ballot box, posting videos to try to influence other voters I’d say was rather paradoxical.

          • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 1:27 pm

            I’d say “rather” is an understatement.

            • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:10 pm

              So my political arguments should be totally discarded because I’ve never voted?
              FoeorVerhofstadt? hahaha

              • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 2:20 pm

                Who is discarding your political arguments?

                • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:21 pm

                  Why do I feel bullied? lol

    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 1:25 pm

      Yes, a vote for remaining in the EU was a vote for supporting a body that currently has unelected members and decision makers. That’s completely different to it being a vote that stops the right to vote.
      My vote to remain did not affect my country’s government from using it own currency, setting it’s own interest rates, taxation levels, public spending, or setting it’s own laws and statutes. So for me, the most important issues we face were still in the hands of the democratically elected government of my country.

      • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:28 pm

        Except the future plans of the EU will whittle away those things you have just listed, FoF. You weren’t just voting for the status quo, you would have been assenting to close political and economic union including tax harmonisation. You may say that isn’t explicit, but you can be 100% sure that is how the Remain vote would have been interpreted by Junckers and company.

        • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 1:30 pm

          That’s nothing but conjecture, Chauv.

          • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:41 pm

            Mate, there are plenty of people infinitely smarter than me who agree with Chauv on this, and as for me never having voted is it not like someone who doesn’t have a full driving licence not being aloud to criticise a driver who hit someone on a zebra crossing and drove off?
            If we had a Presidential election like in the US where it was a choice between two then I’d feel a lot more like voting but in the current system of proportional representation I don’t feel like my vote really counts for a lot.

            • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 1:51 pm

              So because plenty of infinitely smart people have this thought, does that mean it would have happened? Does that mean that it wouldn’t have been opposed? The very fact that Chauv thinks the EU as a body will be no more in time, surely means that this will happen as a result of public opinion? Why would public opinion force that to happen, but not force those in power to change direction, if it were even a direction in the first place??

              • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:55 pm

                I can’t predict the future anymore then you can, but some say in order to predict the future you need to study the past, and the past shows that democracy tends to have a history of turning authoritarian.

                • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 2:01 pm

                  Crikey.

                  • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:03 pm

                    Surely you and me would agree that power corrupts and as the saying goes absolute power corrupts absolutely?

                    • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 4:56 pm

                      Power corrupts? I agree it does for some, a good example of that is the Trumpmeister.

          • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:54 pm

            ‘If we want the euro to unite rather than divide our
            continent, then it should be more than the currency of
            a select group of countries. The euro is meant to be the
            single currency of the European Union as a whole.’

            Junckers.

            ‘A sustainable economic power can only be built
            around a single currency.’

            Macron.

            ‘For a successful economy we need to sustainably
            stabilise the euro. Current instruments are not
            sufficient. That’s why we need the Banking and
            Capital Market Union.’

            Merkel.

            Those are the three visions in the white paper on the future of the EU with regard to monetary regulation.

            See the pound surviving there?

            • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 2:00 pm

              Yes, if we were to stay in the EU, I see the pound surviving if our democratically elected government decide that they wish to keep the pound. If our democratically elected government decide not to keep the pound (which may or may not be the correct decision), then it won’t survive. So yes, for me, that decision is still in our hands. Has the EU ever said anything different? have they ever said that they are happy for us to keep the pound, or that is a direction they want? Yet we still have it, because we decided to keep it.

              • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:07 pm

                It’s just a matter of time FoF, these vetoes won’t survive in ever closer union. They can’t, it’s not logical.

                My current preference is not no deal. It’s what had recently been called Common Market 2.0. The UK reverts to our status similar to before the Treaty of Rome and Maastricht.

                • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 2:11 pm

                  I assume you mean not logical from an EU point of view, for their purpose, their direction. I believe the vetoes would survive until a point where they are not logical for us, if that point comes, which it may. If we’ve opposed it up to now, we’ve had reason too.

        • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 1:34 pm

          I don’t know how you can have that opinion, and yet at the same time have the opinion that the EU as a body will be defunct in the near future. Either the views and direction of those in power will happen, or will be opposed democratically.

          • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 1:35 pm

            Now, we can’t oppose those directions democratically.

            • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:40 pm

              The great thing FoF, is that we will watch and see what happens over time.

              • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 1:45 pm

                But like a Levy run Tottenham!

          • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:45 pm

            Ahhh the word democratically ….. didn’t the people of Greece vote in a party who promised a default and a return to the drachma……..4 or 5 years and they are still waiting.
            The powers that be at the top of the EU are simply not interested in democracy if it doesn’t fit their narrative.

            • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:03 pm

              The Italians are finding out what dealing with the EU Commission is like now.
              Democracy, what’s that?

        • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:38 pm

          And as an example of things a democratically elected UK government currently wouldn’t be able to do, is nationalising various industries such as the railways, as EU rules state that industries must be open to competition. As a Labour supporter as you know, I’d like certain strategic industries renationalised. That would be a problem.

          • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 1:44 pm

            Yes, and I’m sure there’s lots of other examples of what a democratically elected government can’t do whilst in the EU that you and I disagree with. It doesn’t change my point.

            • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:56 pm
              • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 2:06 pm

                And is this why you think the EU will be defunct?

                • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:09 pm

                  No, it’s how I think it will try to progress, against democratic wishes of member countries, before torn asunder by nationalist protests. That’s why it will become defunct.

                  • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 2:17 pm

                    So no option of a change in power, and therefore direction? Why would that not happen? It’s the way it has happened throughout democratic history. Even if the decision maker are unelected, they cannot keep power against public opinion, if it were that far unbalanced against them.

                  • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:27 pm

                    This will be a spring and summer of protests that could turn nasty, we have seen in France 10 dead wearing yellow vests. Yesterday in the hospital waiting room there was a news feed on a tv which mentioned the yellow vests throwing stones at a police van…..typical MSM drip feed of “OOH terrible naughty yellow vest protestors”

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 2:33 pm

                      So it’s ok for them to throw stones at a police van? And you’d like the media to censor this action for what reason?

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 3:05 pm

                      “We have seen in France 10 dead wearing yellow vests”. This is exactly the kind of language which is dangerous. A fabrication of the truth for the purpose of enhancing your viewpoint.
                      A quick google shows that the majority of the deaths were caused by road traffic accidents, which were in turn caused by the blockades set up by the protesters. From what I can see, only two of the deaths were people wearing yellow vests.
                      Why would you do this? Or perhaps more importantly, why would you repeat this without checking first? This is why I challenge you, Sexy, and I hope you know it’s nothing personal. I just can’t fathom why you’d offer such provocative information, why you feel the need to distort the truth for your own end, when the truth is supposedly what you are fighting for. It makes no sense.

                    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 4:42 pm

                      Of course it is not right to throw stones at police or their vans, its the way the screen only tells those in the waiting room that that was the only section of that story worth reporting, no mention of why they were doing it, no mention of the 10 who died in yellow vests, no mention of the person who lost an eye or the person who lost a hand to a rubber bullet protesting. A slight bias on the reporting me thinks foeorVerhofstadt you no agree?

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 5:27 pm

                      You repeat claims of 10 dead in yellow vests, then complain about bias? Your views are just as bias as anything the mainstream media punts out, if not more so. Since when have your media outlets like Alex Jones given both sides of a story? You are exactly the same as what you despise. Take the Trump Hilliary stuff that you gush out. It’s quite plainly obvious to see that there were bad decisions made by both sides in their quest for power, yet you are blind to half of them. You only hear what you want to hear, and ignore what you don’t want to hear, then rant at others for having one sided views. As I said, I just can’t fathom it.

  • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 1:21 pm

    Kane back in training folks 🙂

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 1:25 pm

      This better not be fake news!!

    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:47 pm

      Tuesdays are for politics McG, get with the program! lol

      • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 2:11 pm

        I’m missing footie talk! Forget the EU, the euro will fail & there’ll be plenty of handbag swinging when it does. I’m looking forward to watching from afar 🙂

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:29 pm

          There are plenty who would be happy to overthrow that vote and have you ducking those handbags at rather close quarters!

  • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 1:21 pm

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/schalke-vs-manchester-city-nabil-bentaleb-interview-tottenham-ucl-preview-a8785641.html
    I found this interview very interesting and quite surprising… oh and its positive about spurs!

    • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 1:25 pm

      He reads the Independent ^^^^^^

      • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 1:33 pm

        I’ve been outed. I should have just cut and pasted the article.
        Anyway I can change my identity and start over.

        • Matt 19/02/2019 at 1:46 pm

          There are programmes you can enter where they can cure you of reading the independent. You can change, believe it!!

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:30 pm

          What again? hehe

  • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 1:49 pm

    Anyone got a set of jump leads I can borrow for an hour?

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:01 pm

      Are you this desperate to get better fast?

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:04 pm

        LOOL
        Battery on my van is rather dead.

        • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 2:06 pm

          Have you tried push starting it?

          • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:10 pm

            Always park on a hill.

          • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:11 pm

            No funnily enough not whilst on crutches.

            • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 2:12 pm

              Must confess I was cracking up as I typed that! Least I wade myself laugh!!

            • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:14 pm

              Cruel!

              I’d have thought you’re the resourceful kind of guy to always have jump leads on your person.
              Unfortunately living in Gloucestershire I’m a bit far away to lend you one of my sets.

              • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:40 pm

                Life can be cruel Chauv but I will defend McG’s right to be cruel until the end! hehe

                • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 2:47 pm

                  You know I didn’t mean it 🙂

        • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:10 pm

          I don’t think an electric car will suit you Sexy!!

    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:17 pm

      Its a cartoon before anyone jumps on the Guardian thing!

      • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:32 pm

        Looks like David Squires had T** B** as an advisor!

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:42 pm

          I know that is what I thought!

  • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 2:27 pm

    Well that was a discussion and a half.

    As an ex-civil servant I’m proud to be in a position whereby I make my own mind up but still comply with the government of the day – voted for by the thick gits who keep them in power or decide on the Nations future gleaned from a pack of lies.

    The only good thing about politics is the fact that very few people get to live out their dreams. But when they do – it’s usually a catastrophe.

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:36 pm

      It’s a miasma of recriminations at the moment. Still, at least Chukka Umunna leaving Labour is like having a painful boil on the bum lanced.
      You’d think the outspoken champion of a ‘People’s Vote’ (copyright Toby Blair) would give his own constituents a chance to vote on his resigning the party with a by election. Just a thought…

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 2:41 pm

        Don’t be daft!

      • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 2:43 pm

        I always think that you need to be a part of an organisation in order to change it.
        Those who leave as elected members of a party with a manifesto voted for by the populace should, of course, offer a by-election.

        • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:45 pm

          Chukka thinks he’s above such mundane considerations. He referred to constituency activists as ‘dogs’, and back in 2008 attended a nightclub. He complained it was full of chavs and Wannabees. Obviously a man of the people.

          • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:48 pm

            (Who did he expect to find in a nightclub one wonders?)

            • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 2:53 pm

              A Gloucestershire nightclub may differ from Soho, methinks.

              • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:59 pm

                I can assure you there are no wannabees in Gloucestershire. Plenty of chavs though!

                • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:04 pm

                  No Tories in Gloucestershire? I don’t believe you!

                  • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 4:38 pm

                    The Cotswolds are a bastion of Stalinism!!

        • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 3:07 pm

          Yep and yep.

  • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:30 pm

    I see Spurs are playing in Singapore and Shanghai in July. Your think it’d be nice to play in Seoul too.

    • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 2:34 pm

      While we are over there why not give Pyongyang a shout?

      • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 2:35 pm

        I can see it now…Son the peacemaker.

      • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:37 pm

        Trouble is the Dear Leader would want to play… and win.

        • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:42 pm

          Did you know Kim Jong-un learned to drive a car at age 3? His dad, Kim Jong-il, managed 11 holes in one as he carded a round of 34, 38 below par. He’d never played golf before.

          • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 2:44 pm

            Yes.

            • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 2:47 pm

              I see you are well informed. Who won the FA cup in 1953?

              • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 2:49 pm

                I’ve told you before that the meaning of the word “patronising” is…

  • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 2:59 pm

    Looking fwd to the L’pooh game tonight.

    Like to keep an eye on future opposition. Will be interesting to see how an underperforming Bayern deal with the PL style.

    2-1 will do. Bayern to win the 2nd leg and go through.

    And then come and meet us.

  • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:12 pm

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-47293157

    Fit & proper.

    Where were the FA when these people took over Blackpool?

    • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 3:17 pm

      It was a long time ago they took over. Rules have changed in the meantime

      • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:22 pm

        Surely, when the Chair of a club changes hands – as in this case – one goes through the procedure again?
        If not, they should.

    • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 3:32 pm

      Now that’s the sort of club where T** B**’s blog would come into its own.

      • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:40 pm

        How right you are!

  • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:19 pm

    Sutton.
    Chris Sutton.
    “Rice is a better player than Dyer.”

    One England cap and fell out with Glen.

    Painful listening to him without having to read his drivel.

    He might be right, though.

    • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:20 pm

      Dier!

      • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:24 pm

        Glenn!

        • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 3:25 pm

          Glenn Dier??

          • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:27 pm

            The tremor is getting the better of me.
            Getting as bad as ONr…sorry – Ron.

  • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:32 pm

    Listening to John Lee Hooker on Tidal.
    Great collection of old stuff and more recent.

    Chillin’ out.

    • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:34 pm

      I’ve promised not to buy any more CDs – so I subscribe for £19.99/month.
      That’s for the proper hifi version.

      Saving me a fortune.

      • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:37 pm

        Got an Astell & Kern hi-res player linked to my amp.

        Better than cd quality.

        Mmmmm.

      • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 3:44 pm

        I promised to not buy CD’s only vinyl. Then I promised not to use MP3, only CD’s. Now I only download.
        Sellout I am.

        • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 3:55 pm

          MP3s are the worst thing to ever be invented!

          Condensed.

          • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 3:59 pm

            I generally can’t hear the quality that much whilst I’m wailing along to it.
            But I know what you mean, stuff gets lost. Listening to The Velvet Underground on CD is a completely different experience to a download. Some would suggest equally awful!

            • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 4:01 pm

              I think the downloads are fine for listening to in the car or on other portable/personal devises.
              I no longer have my nice old British HiFi so rarely get the chance to listen to high quality sound systems anymore.

          • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 5:14 pm

            Condensed? That’s milk, I think you mean compressed… ; )

        • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 3:59 pm

          I succumbed to Apple Music. I share a subscription with the kids (grown up) so it is pretty cheap. It is convenient in general for searching for stuff that I just want to hear again or to listen to something new (well old but new for me) without having to buy it.
          The quality is ‘ordinary person’ ok but not ‘audiophile’ ok.

          • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 4:01 pm

            Me too. I don’t use it that often, but I suppose I’ve saved lots money over the time I’ve had it, along with the convenience.

            • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 4:04 pm

              I download stuff I would never dream of buying onto my iPad or iPhone before I go on a plane. I listen with noise cancelling headphones (Bose) and to be honest the quality is probably as good as it gets under those circumstances. I end up listening to stuff I would probably not find never mind buy if it wasn’t for the electronic library/search.

  • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 4:06 pm

    So Rice is better than Dier….
    Quinoa is better than rice

    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 4:35 pm

      I like Muller rice, yummy!

  • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 4:36 pm

    Enjoyable reading today politibleougers. I’ll nail me ceoulers to FoFty’s mast but ultimately I think all our views are rarely if ever fashioned by actual, cast iron, irrefutable facts. We just see peeks around the curtains on a few occasions.
    I watched the BBC2 series ‘Inside Europe: 10 years of turmoil’ which involved the talking heads yacking about the Greek crisis, our referendum to leave and the Syrian migrants. Thought it fascinating. Of course it is the BBC, it is an MSM viewpoint so I’m sure some will have discounted it before even watching it 😉. Nevertheless recommend it if those things are of interest.

    • cavey 19/02/2019 at 4:40 pm

      Watched it Andy-thought it was interesting!

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 4:44 pm

      Economics professor and former Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis knows his stuff, and what a bunch of loveable characters the EU commission are.

      Always worth reading his stuff.

      https://www-newstatesman-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2018/11/yanis-varoufakis-eu-declared-war-and-theresa-may-played-along

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 4:46 pm

        Link no workie

          • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 4:48 pm

            Phew!

          • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 5:01 pm

            I’ve listened to a few of his YouTube broadcasts and did find it very interesting. Noticed he had a few words on the BBC prog I mentioned about the Greek collapse and it stated he had Marxist leanings. It was interesting though that when he had a meeting with all the heads of government he was relaying everything by phone to the Greek PM to make a decision. It went on for hours until some of the heads got fed up with the constant relaying and just walked out.

    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 4:45 pm

      I might give that a go Andy, did you see that story in the Guardian?

      • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 4:53 pm

        I read the one you posted SB but didn’t see it as that controversial tbh. I think we can all agree that there’s a lot of disinformation on the tinternet and picking the ‘truth’ out of it based on people’s perceptions of the ‘truth’ is extremely difficult. As human beings we are fashioned and molded by our experiences and that isn’t likely to provide an unbiased viewpoint unfortunately. I don’t consider myself any different in that regard. We create a story that fits our view and acknowledge those ‘facts’ that fit it but discount those ‘facts’ that don’t. It’s what makes us human.

        • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 4:58 pm

          Are you human then? I thought we wuz all lizards on here.

          • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 5:03 pm

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 5:04 pm

          Would you be happy for that woman to decide what is real news and what is fake and therefore should be taken down before you’d have a chance to read it and decide for yourself?
          The funny bit (if only it was funny) is how she lumps in reptilian men stories with other so called fake stuff which is most likely not fake, this is the annoying bit to me. If someone wants to write that the moon is made out of swiss cheese who gives a toss?
          People write that the Earth is flat who cares? Free speech is free speech and in my view should be left well alone

          • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 5:22 pm

            No fair minded person would disagree that free speech is a good thing. The worry is that people can post on places like YouTube for honerable or illegitimate reasons their version of the truth. This may be correct or it may be incorrect. If correct all well and good if it’s not then it will resonate with others who will take it as the truth. Before the Internet, spreading lies wasn’t much of a problem. It happened but nobody got too hurt by it. Now with the Internet I think it’s creating a level of paranoia that I begin to wonder is worth all the benefits that it can bring.

            • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 5:39 pm

              Andy you are so wrong, before the internet we had the Gulf of Tonkin incident which was faked and used as a pretext to start the Vietnam War 55,000 US service men killed and somewhere between 2 and 3 MILLION Vietnamese killed. War is the biggest money making operation and Dwight d Eisenhower warned the American people about the rise of misplaced power in the military industrial complex.
              https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/02/vietnam-presidents-lie-to-wage-war-iraq
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwOUy7TU3e4
              Before the Internet, spreading lies wasn’t much of a problem. It happened but nobody got too hurt ? You might want to reconsider that statement Andy.

              • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 5:44 pm

                Before the internet they would not have gotten away with that, fake stories in the press get exposed by non mainstream. Just recently the Covington kids story was exposed then that Gay actor who faked a beating and a noose around his neck saying it was two MAGA hat wearing white men in Chicago when he paid two black friends to rough him up.

  • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 4:42 pm

    Spurs youth, playing POAK 5pm today on ESP/BT sport.

    • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 4:44 pm

      423 BT Sport//ESPN

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 4:51 pm

      Brill!!

      Thanks 89.

      • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 4:53 pm

        Your welcome!

  • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 4:43 pm

    That was an enjoyable read, I say that whilst some see the EU for what it really is others see what they would like it to be? Personally I cannot see past the absurd running costs and the corruption.

    • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 5:23 pm

      Sorry 🙂

  • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 4:47 pm

    Well that was an enjoyable read, I say that whilst some see the EU for what it really is others see what they would like it to be? Personally I cannot see past the absurd running costs and the corruption.

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 4:57 pm

      Heh. Like accounts never being signed off by auditors?

      https://www.greens-efa.eu/en/article/document/the-costs-of-corruption-across-the-european-union/

      The Green Party thinks corruption across the EU is now reaching towards 1 trillion euros per annum. Still, never mind, eh?

      • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 5:17 pm

        I did a job pre referendum for a couple of teachers who lived in Brussels with their kids, kids received private schooling whilst they both earned tax free salaries and rented out their house in London, needless to say they voted to remain! However they did tell me a story regarding corruption which truly boggled the mind, they admitted it was a gravy train of corruption which they were happy to ride until the end and were hoping for a remain win, oh well!

    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 5:04 pm

      With respect, Elyid, I’m not quite sure how you have come to a conclusion that some see the EU for what they would like it to be. I haven’t seen anyone refute claims of what the EU is, and I’m certainly not blind to their faults, just like I’m not blind to the faults of our own government (who are also corrupt and have absurd running costs, like any governing body I can think of). As Bruxie pointed out above, you need to be a part of an organisation in order to change it. We’re running away, in a move that I believe will be to our detriment, and the detriment of our childrens future.

      • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 5:16 pm

        What I means is that the concept of the EU is fine, as a trading agreement it makes sense but as an extra tier of governing and law? Yes every government is corrupt but hopefully at least accountable, who are these guys accountable to? Is there really a requirement for both Brussels and Strasbourg and the expense of the individuals commuting (driven) between the two?

      • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 5:19 pm

        The EU appears impervious to reform. Cameron tried to get anything he could show as a reform before the referendum, but was sent away with a flea in his ear.

        • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 5:39 pm

          Yes, that’s for sure, and adds weight to your argument.

      • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 5:20 pm

        Yarp!

      • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 5:34 pm

        I think staying in Europe was the least worst option. There was no good option. I asked my kids who are in their 20’s what they wanted and they wanted to stay in so that’s what I voted on the basis they’ll inherit whatever mess happens in the future. I think another vote would go the other way as people realise the lies that were told (on both sides). I don’t think that we should though as rightly or wrongly you can’t keep voting until you get the answer you want. On the other hand if you’re travelling towards an accident do you carry on or try and avoid it.

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 5:56 pm

          Mate I think another vote would result in a bigger leave win, of this i’m very sure.

          • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 6:01 pm

            Then I’m all for it. The bigger the majority the quicker the country heals.

  • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 4:59 pm

    Never really sure whether to be astonished or despondent

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 5:02 pm

      There is always going to be corruption, but the lack of an effective response should be troubling.

      • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 5:26 pm

        So in a similar way to our own inactivity when it comes to MP’s taking money on behalf of Russian oligarchs, London being the money laundering capital of the world and so on?
        The EU may be dysfunctional (and I don’t disagree), but the same can be said said about the UK.

        • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 5:30 pm

          As I say, i am not claiming that our own political system is not without corruption but do we need another tier of corruption if we cannot have complete faith in our own elected and accountable representatives?

          • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 5:35 pm

            A good point. To answer it, you’d need to asses the benefits of being in the EU against “being in another tier of corruption”. In the worldwide marketplace that we now live in, I would come to a conclusion that the benefits outweigh the negatives. Just like when I’m voting for government in this country, I don’t think anyone can honestly say that they agree with everything their chosen party does or wants to do, but you make a decision based on what will be best overall.

            • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 5:37 pm

              Alternatively you use your vote to try to change things for the better? Ridiculous notion I know

              • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 5:42 pm

                That’s not alternate. I can’t imagine that anyone voted for the purpose of making things worse?

            • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 5:43 pm

              We are all smart people and we are all able to draw our own conclusions and form our own opinions it is however disappointing that we are simply acknowledging that we are seeking the lesser evil rather as we all know that real change is out of our reach?

              • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 5:52 pm

                Let me just give you one last reason why I have concerns regarding what the EU is becoming. Here in Spain, as you are no doubt aware, there is a very high profile and extremely costly court case to decide the fate of the Catalan leaders behind the independence movement. Much of the court case is televised, on the first or second day I was watching in Madrid whilst taking a meal with my Spanish colleagues. The defence stated that even at this early stage they had already conceded that the defendants would be found guilty in the highest Spanish Court but that this would be subject to an appeal in the European Courts where they fully expect the outcome to be different. I have no personal view on the Catalan situation but the fact that the European Court is available to overturn the direction of the highest court in the land is a cause of concern to me.

                • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 5:59 pm

                  The whole international law thing is absurd really.
                  Years ago (well just a few decades ago really) wars were fought, the winners made the rules and the losers sucked it up.
                  Now the ‘international comunity’ gets involved pontificating on if what happened was ‘legal’. At the end of the pontification they can do bugger all about it unless they are stronger than the ‘guilty’ protagonist. If they are they can ‘force’ their verdict. If they are not they can’t so its basically bollocks!

                  “To bring about the rule of righteousness in the land so that the strong may not harm the weak” – Code of Laws from thousands of years ago!

                • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 6:05 pm

                  Again, I can’t argue with your concern. It is valid, as are many concerns about the EU. My concerns about leaving the EU are mainly economic. I’d like a fairer legal system for sure, but that doesn’t concern me as much as the economic issues. It certainly doesn’t affect me or my family as much as the economic issues, maybe if it did then I’d have a different opinion.

              • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 5:56 pm

                Yep, you could call it dissappointing, but that’s the world we live in. Real change can never be beneficial to everyone, I can’t think of anything that would. Spend more on health, and that money has to be taken from somewhere else. Raise taxes for better all round public spending, and people are worse off. It’ a constant balancing act which can never be “right” in everyone’s eyes.

                • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 6:09 pm

                  But perhaps more could be done to stem the tide of corruption and misuse of public money to help increase the funds to where they are most needed? is that not what we want from those we elect?

                  • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 6:13 pm

                    Of course, I’d like that very much too. I can tell you one thing for sure, we’d have a much better chance of stemming EU corruption and misuse of public money if we were in the EU, and will have absolutely no chance of doing anything about it if we aren’t.

                    • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 6:14 pm

                      But at least you will no longer be jointly funding the misuse of the EU

                    • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 6:14 pm

                      Yep, very true.

                    • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 6:16 pm

                      Due to our EU rebate, we won’t pay as much as the other member states.

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 6:17 pm

                      Nor will my children or I benefit from the EU.

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 6:20 pm

                      Right now I jointly fund benefit fraud, tax evasion, mismanagement of public services, MP “expenses”. Should I stop paying taxes?

                    • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 6:25 pm

                      maybe future generations will succeed where we have failed and find a fairer more trustworthy way to govern and to take care of the planet?

                    • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 6:29 pm

                      I certainly hope so.

                    • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 6:31 pm

                      Me to mate

        • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 5:30 pm

          No disagreement there.

  • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 5:14 pm

    Spurs one up, Lyons-Foster excellent header from corner.

    • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 5:15 pm

      Good start!

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 5:16 pm

      He scored another from a ball in from a freekick, but the ref made them retake it. Chalked off.

      • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 5:17 pm

        PAOK got away with that one. Thanks ref.

  • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 5:33 pm

    Great read chaps, think I’ll go to the supermarché now, or is it Supermarkt, or supermercado? Oh bugger it, I’m orf to the shops, or should that be negozio….

  • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 5:34 pm

    Red card no 5 PAOK.

  • Bruxie 19/02/2019 at 5:54 pm

    Good night you politicos.

    Going to watch some footy.

    After BBC News.

    Your starter for 10.

    See you Saturday.

  • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 5:56 pm

    Not sure the Internet would have stopped the Vietnam war. It didn’t stop the Iraq one. Yep you’re right I was a bit flippant there, the Internet benefits far out way the negative bits. Just find the abuse people have to suffer because of it rather sad.

    • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 5:57 pm

      Reply to SB above.

    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 6:00 pm

      Abusing anyone is dreadful in anyway on any platform, agreed.
      Most people are good, but there are plenty of scumbags out there.
      I could talk and debate politics and disagree with all of you but would still be happy to sit and have a jovial pint or three cos I know your all Goodfellas!

      • foeorfreund 19/02/2019 at 6:09 pm

        And so are you, dude.

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 6:25 pm

          Love you foeorVerhofstadt hahaha

    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 6:05 pm

      There were reporters on the ground in Iraq at the sites that Colin Powell said had WMD’s that still had the United Nations seals on the locks, this was reported on the AP it was never picked up, it didn’t fit the narrative, we were going to war. War criminals: Bush, Cheaney, Blair, Rumsfelt and Powell to mane but a few. They should all hang imo.

      • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 6:09 pm

        “Lions led by donkeys”

      • Merrance 19/02/2019 at 6:24 pm

        I love sexy beast

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 6:26 pm

          He ain’t so bad!

        • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 6:27 pm

          Merrance is my brudda from another mother.

  • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 5:58 pm

    We need a new bleoug! This one’s full up, anybody got anything or shall I do my usual C&P?

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 6:01 pm

      Aren’t we aiming for 2000 posts?

    • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 6:01 pm

      Give me half an hour – I have something I would like to write as a starter for ten.
      I can email it to Flatty

      • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 6:03 pm

        Not sure if he’s online atm Shelfy. I’ll send you my email.

        • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 6:13 pm

          I was going to do a top 10 hints & tips for baking bread bloeug, I dough think I’ll bother now..

          • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 6:15 pm

            No kneed to get crusty about it!

            • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 6:19 pm

              Crusty?! Nope, I shan’t Rise to your scurrilous accusations..

              • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 6:22 pm

                So kneady.

              • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 6:26 pm

                Loafer

          • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 6:15 pm

            🙂

          • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 6:24 pm

            Crumbs!

            • Merrance 19/02/2019 at 6:25 pm

              No loafing about on this bloeug

              • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 6:27 pm

                I’ll have a slice of that!

  • McG ⚽⚽ 19/02/2019 at 6:16 pm

    Worth a read re differing transfer policies, we lucked out I reckon..

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/arsene-wenger-makes-surprise-tottenham-14021308

    • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 6:33 pm

      Keep up Cas, Sexy Beast posted that this afternoon!

      • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 6:35 pm

        Yeah keep up!

  • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 6:35 pm

    ATTENTION!!

    At 7:30 pm Freeview 81 (Talking Pictures) is a 1940 documentary about sport.

    It includes footage of Spurs v Arsenal playing at Highbury.

    This has been a public service announcement.

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 6:37 pm

      (Should mention it’s called ‘Fitness wins the Game.’)

    • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 6:40 pm

      Did we win?

      • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 6:43 pm

        I haven’t seen it! Not was I there. Ask Ronwol.

        • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 6:46 pm

          Did he play in that game?

          • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 6:51 pm

            He is the wisest of us all.

            If only we could decipher his words.

            • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 6:58 pm

              Apparently it’s an ancient dialect that pre-dates any known language..

              • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 7:06 pm

                Proto-Aramaic.

                He taught Abraham the offside rule.

  • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 6:47 pm

    Watching last 25 mins of the youth game and they really do play like the first team in terms of build up play which is great to see.

  • Fatty B 19/02/2019 at 6:48 pm

    Good evensong fellow parishoners.

    • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 6:49 pm

      Hymnals at the ready.

      • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 6:54 pm

        I’ve got my hassock on the floor ready!

        • Fatty B 19/02/2019 at 7:24 pm

          Dirty boy!

    • Sexy Beast 19/02/2019 at 6:57 pm

      Evening slim, hard day at the coal face of industry?

      • Fatty B 19/02/2019 at 7:20 pm

        Them pens won’t push themselves.

        • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 7:24 pm

          Evening Bob Cratchit!

          Do you have your own stool?

          Second thoughts, don’t answer that!

  • Fatty B 19/02/2019 at 6:51 pm

    I’ve had a hard day sat at a desk leafing through sheaves of paper, straightening out paper clips and generally fart-ars*ing about in the pursuit of truth and justice. Such a glamorous life.

    • Elyid 19/02/2019 at 6:54 pm

      Truth and justice!? I would settle for one of those

  • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 7:02 pm

    That Spurs for the night, bring on the Pooh.

  • Fatty B 19/02/2019 at 7:29 pm

    Champs league football on tonight?

    • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 7:30 pm

      Yeah!

  • Shelfy 19/02/2019 at 7:33 pm

    The spurs Kids won tonight and go through to the last 16 of the European Youth Cup… the future’s bright…

  • SeattleSpursGuy 19/02/2019 at 7:35 pm

    This proof of life photo of Dembele was just published. I hope he gets rescued soon.

  • Fatty B 19/02/2019 at 7:37 pm

    Just seen the chat above about the EU. Thank G*d I wasn’t here for that.

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 7:39 pm

      It was all in the best possible taste.

      • Fatty B 19/02/2019 at 7:41 pm

        EU must be joking.

        • Caspurs 19/02/2019 at 7:45 pm

          E U laughs last, laughs longest..
          I’ll get me coat..

  • Paleo 19/02/2019 at 7:45 pm

    It’s all Thatchers fault.

    • 89Spurs 👁 19/02/2019 at 7:47 pm

      Nice drop of Cider that Thatchers.

  • SpurAndy 🥧🍒 19/02/2019 at 7:46 pm
  • SeattleSpursGuy 19/02/2019 at 7:50 pm

    What is this Brexit thing? I’m just hearing about it for the first time.

    • Chauvelin 19/02/2019 at 8:06 pm

      Tease!

  • AntSpurs 20/02/2019 at 5:36 pm

    Till relishing the chance to put the frightners on them. Equally to playing for Spurs knowing we were another level and would win without ‘fine margins’

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